Progressive Blackjack At Foxwoods

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  • Re: Foxwoods - follow up question Foxwoods is a huge place, actually a number of casinos in the same complex. Penetration varies from less than 1 deck cutoff to around 2.5 cutoff. The way to beat the place is to move around and find the best penetration and stay away from poor games. They manage the tables well so wonging in is pretty hard to do.

$100 Hand of Blackjack, Foxwoods Casino. I met Anthony in a poker game at the Diamond Club in New York City. He was fairly nondescript, just a normal. During the week and during the day you will find several $10 tables at Foxwoods and every once in a while a $5 table although those are becoming rare. At Mohegan Sun they have Bonanza Black Jack which has the same exact rules as regular BJ except there is a dollar forced bet you have to make each hand.

BleedingChipsSlowly
$1 blackjack has arrived in my neck of the woods, Foxwoods, so I’ve been reading postings here and on other forums about the game which apparently has infested casinos everywhere. The 25-cent ante fee for Foxwoods tables was all I needed to hear to know the game is a MAJOR rip-off, but how bad is it? Specifics are hard to come by. Zoomie posting at BlackjackInfo.com estimates a house edge of nearly 19% for the 25-cent ante fee flavor. Can anyone provide the house edge for at least some of the many variations? Given the popularity of the game it might warrant some information on the Wizard of Odds site.
Progressive Blackjack At FoxwoodsI saw something curious two weeks ago - an idle $5 table at Mohegan Sun at 10 am Saturday morning and empty seats at some of the other four tables. I haven’t seen idle $5 tables there since they closed the 12-$5-table pit years ago. I think the low-level players migrated to the $1 tables at Foxwoods. We like!
Serious players curl their lips at the game and they should. However, if I were to take a noobie pal to Foxwoods I think the $1 table would be great fun. For about $25 dollars he (or she) could play a real casino table game for an hour! They could get FREE DRINKS! Never mind they would be getting screwed far worse than playing slots. Playing just like the big boys *cough* would be a great memory.
So, can some of the forum members with better math skills than I give us some stats on the $1 blackjack games being offered? My apologies if this has been done already and I missed it.
“You don’t bring a bone saw to a negotiation.” - Robert Jordan, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia
Asswhoopermcdaddy
Great for the casinos to bleed you dry. Low limits.for card counters.AP play but problematic for the drunkards. A great reel to lute martingalers.
Mission146


So, can some of the forum members with better math skills than I give us some stats on the $1 blackjack games being offered? My apologies if this has been done already and I missed it.


It just depends on the Rules. Just take the Expected Loss for x amount bet by multiplying:
(House Edge Expressed as Decimal) * (Amount Bet) = Expected Loss
And, after you do that, add a quarter. After adding the quarter to the Expected Loss, you can then do:
(Expected Loss)/(Amount Bet) = New House Edge
Okay, so let's say it's eight-deck, dealer Hits S17, DAS, Double Anything, Resplit to Four Hands, No RSA, No HSA, No Surrender, Blackjack Pays 6:5
These rules yield a House Edge of 2.00291% with Optimal Play, so the expected loss on a $1.00 bet is obviously $0.0200291. If you add that quarter ante, the expected loss is $0.2700291 and the House Edge is 27.00291%.
If you bet $3 and must still pay the ante:
.0200291 * 3 = $0.0600873 Expected Loss

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Add in the quarter, and it is $0.3100873, which means:
.3100873/3 = .1033624333~ or a 10.33624333~% House Edge
Vultures can't be choosers.
BleedingChipsSlowly
Thanks Mission146! Your logic is easy to follow. Makes me feel like I should have kicked the problem around for a few days to see if I could have come up with something on my own. Accounting for the ante factor was throwing me. Most of the other variations can be addressed with the Wizard's calculator, I think.
“You don’t bring a bone saw to a negotiation.” - Robert Jordan, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia
Mission146
You're welcome!
sc15
$1 blackjack (with a fee) is basically buying a movie ticket.
You bring $20 to the table, and spend an hour or 2 having drinks and watching cards come out, and that's it. You won't win.
AxelWolf
I don't like the free drinks argument because you should be tipping. If you are unwilling to pony up $80 more to cut down an extra 25% then obviously $1 is significant. (call them cheap drinks) . But thats not the only reason. You can get cheap drink service playing 1 penny at a time on something or a .25 BJ machine.
The question is.... are you willing to toss a quarter in the trash evry few minutes for entertainment? That's really what you are doing for the privilege of usiusing real cards and real chips to geg more hands. If you cant muster up $100 buy in to hit the $5 level instead. I'm thinking you probably shouldn't be playing In the casino.
If its just a matter of just not wanting to risk the money I say find a .5/ .25 BJ machine or nickel VP machine. You can play as slow or fast as you want.
ploppys can do as they wish with their own money and no one should berate them(without them we wouldn't have casino's) but if you have any influence in guiding someone on a path, I say discurrage them from commission BJ.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
BleedingChipsSlowly

ploppys can do as they wish with their own money and no one should berate them(without them we wouldn't have casino's) but if you have any influence in guiding someone on a path, I say discourage them from commission BJ.

I agree, but still feel $1 BJ with ante might be a worthwhile introductory experience for a novice, something easier to 'sell.' When suggesting a 10-hand session just to give it a try the possibility of losing [ignoring possible DD/splits] $12.50 would be far more acceptable than $50 or $100.
Tip of the hat again to Mission146 for his insight in calculating the effect of an ante on house edge. Based on what I learned from him, here's a table I came up with for Foxwoods' $1-wager/25-cent-ante game:
Here's that data in graphic form:
Clearly the game sucks big time. For what it's worth, kicking up the wager to $3 lowers the HE to slot level. Whoopie!
Thanks to all for comments. I have me answer to the question 'HOW bad is $1 BJ?' At least for the game at Foxwoods.
“You don’t bring a bone saw to a negotiation.” - Robert Jordan, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia

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BleedingChipsSlowly
BTW, the cell formula could have been expressed as =B$1+B$2/D2, so the house edge is increased by the ante divided by the wager. That's just a simpler way to state the effect of the ante on the house edge. Doesn't reduce the suckage one iota.
“You don’t bring a bone saw to a negotiation.” - Robert Jordan, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia
February 12, 2011 1:02 pm

Progressive Blackjack At Foxwoods Casino

One lucky lady has been celebrating her incredible good fortune after scooping a $301,852 slots jackpot at the Grand Pequot Casino, Foxwoods in southeastern Connecticut.
On Thursday, January 20th, according to a recent announcement by the casino, a Wilmington woman by the name of Sharon Kelly Parella scooped the huge sum after playing the $1 progressive slot machine “Temple of Treasure.”
What makes Sharon’s life changing bonanza all the more impressive is the fact it took a change in her usual choice of casino game for her to win the impressive amount. As she explains:
“I go to Foxwoods 3 or 4 times each year, but I don’t usually even play the slots. I usually play blackjack – so it must have been fate!”
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Foxwoods was founded in 1986 and is owned by the Mashantucket Pequot Tribe. The enormous resort has over 380 gaming tables and with over 7,200 slot machines has more than any other casino in the world. The resort also has 1,416 hotel rooms and is a major gambling and entertainment draw for people living in the northeastern United States.
Foxwoods Resort Casino and MGM Grand at Foxwoods have proved very popular with patrons and in 2010 paid out over $289,854,000 in jackpot winnings. In addition, each year the casino pays 25% of their slots revenue to Connecticut state, which amounts to more than $200 million each year.